Pictures I Like: Grand Central Terminal, 1930 by Hal Morey

My Story: What a great picture! Cathedral light streaming through the windows of what was once one of America’s greatest places. A unique and… What? It’s not unique?

The Facts: Lots of photographs of Grand Central Terminal (aka Grand Central Station) with light streaming through the glass were taken from 1920 to, well, yesterday. There seems to be great confusion over when they were taken. The above photo may be found on line attributed to 1929, 1930, 1934, and other dates. That specific image is from the N.Y. Transit Museum. Most places claim the photographer is unknown, but there is a tagged photo from Getty Images that seems to identify the photographer. Or else Hal Morey of the N.Y. Central R.R.  just used this picture to advertise his photography.

When is this one? One place says 1926, but no other info:

Here’s another, similar, view tagged 1934, photog unknown:

But maybe the place selling that poster was lazy in its attribution. Because there are photos showing the opposite windows such as this one by John Collier, 1941, which is obviously the same picture from a flipped negative or plate:

 Just so you get your bearings, that kiosk is in the center of the concourse. This is 1920,we are told:

But it’s a cropped version of this one from the New York City Municipal Archives, who date it 1935- 1941:

But, whoever and whenever, these pictures are much the same. The image is striking but how many times can it be repeated before it loses its artistic punch and becomes just more kitsch? I don’t know, but I still like looking at these photographs. All of them.

23 comments on “Pictures I Like: Grand Central Terminal, 1930 by Hal Morey

  1. Arnie Colon says:

    And the Kodak “Picturama” is making a return engagement to the wonderment of all the digitalists trying to figure out how.

  2. scorpio19th says:

    Great writing on the various photos of Grand Central Terminal. You’re right, every one of them is breathtaking.

  3. T.om says:

    = or it might be 1954 (AP Photo) according to [http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/02/grand-central-terminal-turns-100/100451/] while it seems to be a different crop of the first photo here –

    • mikulpepper says:

      I have a hunch that most of these pictures are by John Collier. He was wworking for the government at the time, almost into World War II, when I think the negatives got misfiled or lost in the confusion.

  4. These photos are harder to recreate today because back then there was a lot of smoke in the air from being allowed to smoke indoors. Smoke or some kind of particulate is necessary in order to get light beams so pronounced.

  5. Mark says:

    How much do these go for $?

  6. vnelli says:

    20s…30s,,, 40s …….. no matter ……… its a Classic !!!!!!!

  7. bobsawatzki says:

    Reblogged this on bobsaw and commented:
    Public Domain…or not?

    • mikulpepper says:

      Is the photo public domain? I don’t know for certain (expecially considering that the photo’s provenance is murky) but it has been treated so by all kinds of publishers including folks selling copies. I think once a copyright is as undefended as this one has been, that it vanishes.

  8. […] Artist – Hal Morey/ John Collier (exact unknown) Title – Grand Central Terminal – New York City Year of Creation – 1929-1941 Dimensions – unknown Collection/source – N.Y. Transit Museum/ NYC Municipal Archives Technique/material – Photography Genre – Interior setting Style – Black & White Photography Image URL / origin – https://shrineodreams.wordpress.com/2012/08/15/pictures-i-like-grand-central-terminal-1930-by-hal-mor… […]

  9. […] Artist – Hal Morey/ John Collier (exact unknown) Title – Grand Central Terminal – New York City Year of Creation – 1929-1941 Dimensions – unknown Collection/source – N.Y. Transit Museum/ NYC Municipal Archives Technique/material – Photography Genre – Interior setting Style – Black & White Photography Image URL / origin – https://shrineodreams.wordpress.com/2012/08/15/pictures-i-like-grand-central-terminal-1930-by-hal-mor… […]

  10. […] And then an up-close and personal look at each of the three photographs of New York City from the 1920′s and 1930′s; from left to right, a shot of the NY life building through pillars, an old-time photo of  the New York Times Tower in Times Square, and  lastly, Grand Central Terminal by Hal Morey from 1930 although the source is disputed.  […]

  11. […] (photo cred <— click through, as there some more gorgeous photos!) […]

  12. it is unfortunate that people have to go through a protracted process merely to make a comment.That being said, my friend sent me a card with the last picture listed by Mike Culpepper.
    The card was produced by the New York Historical Society.Attribution: Photographer unknown 1930s,Gelatin silver print 8×10 inches,New York Historical Society,Geographic File, 70587. It is an exquisite photograph.I appreciate your research Mike,it is interesting.A good point about the smoking indoors.I remember those days.

  13. […] picture. This was a fairly popular feature here and some of these posts — such as the one on Grand Central Station — are still being discovered and linked by other […]

  14. Chuck Foreman says:

    I’m surprised that this iconic photo has not definitively been either claimed or attributed to a specific photographer. Who was working in this format at the time? And when and how did the negative came into the possession of the NYHS? Perhaps a look around at similar film format, work etc might give a clue. What photographers were doing this kind of work.. really 8×10 in the 40s would only be industrial, architectural. As for defining the time of the photos.. aren’t the clothes a clue? Is it really hard to say 20s 30s 40s etc. Also again the film type and format can this not narrow this down a bit? Samuel H Gottscho possibly?

  15. Marni Bakst says:

    I don’t believe light can reach these windows anymore, blocked by surrounding buildings. With some research one could probably come up with a date after which this view would be impossible.

  16. John says:

    As another perspective, the photo of the flopped negative, would portray a sun rising view and the most common photo a setting sun photo. I wonder what time of day the photo was taken.

  17. joy says:

    Just a note…the style of dress of both men and women in the first panorama is from the late 1920s. By 1930s men’s suit pants had dropped the cuffs and women’s dress length had returned three inches toward the floor…

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